Date: 2014-03-24 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hannah
As a venue for Josh Charles to leave, it's an absolute one, and I usually expect something more nuanced from the show. Given the amount of energy having gone into this deposition/voter fraud thing, I don't understand how some or all of that plotline couldn't have been used to create a more elegant way for the same goal to be achieved, instead of what went down.

Date: 2014-03-24 06:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hannah
To end the voter fraud storyline with Will's incarceration might have been better. Will refusing to let anything go and standing by his principles, refusing disbarment and accepting this punishment, Dubeck glad to settle for a fall guy, Peter still in office and everyone reeling from the consequences - yeah, I could see that.

Date: 2014-03-25 04:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
Will was a key piece in that authority's case, it's true, but it's far from over even now -- that long game is still being played.

Date: 2014-03-24 08:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrinalinee
I don't know how I feel! I was actually kind of gutted, despite not really having loved Will for a couple of seasons at least - in fact for a while there I was tipping over into active dislike. There are people talking about shark jumping and shock value, and I guess it was sort of promoted that way? I didn't watch any of the promos, so I wasn't even aware that there as anything to be spoiled for, and I was definitely shocked, but man. Will is such an integral part of the show for me, such a fundamental part of its structure; he brings things to the table that none of the other characters do, so I can't imagine that the writers did this lightly. (And the Kings' letter makes it clear that they didn't.) I definitely agree with you that it would have been difficult to organically have Will leave; otoh apparently the cast has been sitting on this for a whole season, which is just incredible. So yeah, I don't know! I'm taking the wait-and-see approach. That said, I think the last few episodes were really great for Will and the most - idk, honest? way for him to go out - emphasizing the good things about him and resolving things just enough without overlooking his less than stellar qualities. But then AGAIN, I've never been that invested in Will, so I'm mostly interested in how this will play out for the other characters and glad that it's a definitive end to a ship that I've cared less and less about, while feeling an awful lot of affectionate nostalgia.

I totally understand the complaints about lack of elegance, but from my perspective, TGW is typically so...measured in its actions with the frontline characters (obviously Kalinda is another story and one I prefer not to think about tbh) that I'm kind of glad to see it take the gloves off and become ugly. And in a way I'm kind of glad at the way it pulls together the previous ugliness of Kalinda's stories; it's always been Kalinda dealing with the ugliness while the other characters are untouched by it and finally it feels they're aiming for some kind of cohesion, I guess. Because they are working with dangerous people, convicted murders, life-or-death stakes, and somehow they remain totally disconnected from it. So yeah, the wait-and-see approach basically.

Wow was this comment ever a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Date: 2014-03-25 04:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
I'm kind of glad at the way it pulls together the previous ugliness of Kalinda's stories; it's always been Kalinda dealing with the ugliness while the other characters are untouched by it and finally it feels they're aiming for some kind of cohesion, I guess. Because they are working with dangerous people, convicted murders, life-or-death stakes, and somehow they remain totally disconnected from it.

This, yes; I feel this is it: Finally, something hits too close to home, but it is not the expected (Lamar Bishop taking revenge for being failed; crazy Colin Sweeney plotting a sweet dark murder) but the entirely unexpected and therefore completely, gruesomely realistic.

...but as I implied below, as someone disabled by brutal accidents that forever ended the life I'd known until then, I am bound to find more truth in this than others.

Date: 2014-03-25 09:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrinalinee
Yeah, exactly. I was actually just remembering that recent episode with Bishop and his creepy lizardface lawyer and thinking, you know that was a fairly impressive bit of misdirection. Or maybe misdirection isn't the word, but I think it created this sense of foreboding that sort of dissipated in subsequent episodes - I don't remembering seeing Alicia ever genuinely afraid the way that she was when he came to her apartment and talked to her kids, and she was on tenterhooks for the rest episode. Yeah. If you'd been told to expect something like this, that's the corner you'd expect it from. I remember someone saying when the first episode aired that they thought the kid was the type to commit suicide in prison, and I think, you know, even Will was led to believe he was harmless; even though he wasn't convinced of his innocence, he - and everyone - became complacent about the stakes that they were playing for, and that was really the tragedy of it. You're never complacent with Colin Sweeney or Lemond Bishop.

I think anyone who's been surprised by some sort of catastrophic accident or sudden death (and kind of, when is death not sudden? Even when you think you're prepared for it, when it happens it's always like, today? Not next week or the week after or in a few months or just a year?) can relate, but I sympathize with the people who say that's not what they watch TV for. And especially this show, which I think has characters who are believable adults but still keeps that TV veneer of glossy unreality; they talk to about money but can afford a different suit for every day of the week and Alicia's beautiful three bedroom. I don't live in Chicago, but I have a pretty good idea of what that rent would cost in NYC for example. I definitely understand people quitting the show because it's made them unhappy, and honestly I wish more fans did do that; what mildly annoys me is people claiming the show has jumped the shark because I think this was a very considered move and it's hard to make claims of something being about to go downhill when you don't actually know how anything's going to play out. Unless you're prescient of course.

Date: 2014-03-25 04:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
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THIS IS AMAZING AND BOLD AND COMPELLING AND I COULD GO ON AND DO THE WHOLE ALPHABET!111

This show, man. THIS SHOW. :)

Date: 2014-03-25 04:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
I think I liked it PRECISELY because it lacked all finesse*: death, injury, and permanent mutilation always do -- they're brutal and senseless; they hit people living lives of promise and sophistication.

And, of course, I liked it because it was The Good Wife, which is usually all about grace: under pressure, and in other situations too. I don't trust many shows, but TGW (when it is not about race, sigh, or a more mature treatment of Eli Gold) is the one that may just pull this one off.

* Speaking of words starting with F, foreshadowing I think we do get: a lot of character storylines get, if not tied up, then at least partially resolved: He and Alicia find their footing, find a sense of peace, and do smile at each other with honest appreciation and respect in their last scene. Will and Kalinda affirm their BFFness, to put it in crude terms (what they really are, deep down, is siblings in arms, of course). The only one that smarts and shocks and leaves and empty space is Diane, and for her I weep.

Date: 2014-03-25 12:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zulu
I had no idea this was coming, but unlike a lot of shows, I trust TGW to deal with the consequences--for there to be long-lasting consequences at all! I like that all the relationships are going to have to undergo a wrenching course change. I hope Diane gets to be prominent in this next little bit. (Although part of me worries that with Will gone, Diane can get her judgeship somehow, and then the show will be all Florrick & Agos and no cross action. I still want Diane!)

[personal profile] bell and I noticed that this is the first time we can remember Alicia speaking to Kalinda in...so long we couldn't remember, and even then we didn't see them actually speak! I hope they interact in the wake of this, yeesh.

Date: 2014-03-28 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roga
I JUST FINISHED WATCHING

WHAT JUST HAPPENED

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