First, a question--don't take it as a hostile one, because I'm honestly asking. What do you mean about the TWOP forums being "surprisingly" fun and interesting? I'm a TWOP person from way back (I'm crashdown there, if you want to cyber-stalk me), and for years and years I've considered it *the* number-one place to go for any sort of engaged, intelligent discussion about television. The whole Dreamwidth/LiveJournal world is a bit of a labyrinth to me, and I only found my way here to you by virtue of Googling "Alicia Kalinda friendship" and reading everything I could find. (I seem to have fallen off of the "socially acceptably engaged" train into the "rabid fan" mobile lately when it comes to the two of them!) I think your insights are terrific, and I love to read what you have to say. But they seem very TWOP-like to me. So what exactly do you mean by "meta"? I would normally presume that metafandom would be reflections on fandom itself, rather than reflections on any given show, but that doesn't seem to be how you're using it. Or do you just mean something like "intelligent conversation about television that attempts to read it as literature"? Or something else?
Now, back to the show! I also sense trouble ahead between Kalinda and Diane, and it frankly worries me. Diane has the same sort of odd, careful relationship with Kalinda that she has with Alicia, and it makes me realize that we've never really seen her be friends with *any* woman, even though she talks a lot about women helping women. I'll need to keep an eye on that.
I loved the Nussbaum tweet as well, and I think it's incredibly apt. It hadn't occurred to me until I read what you wrote that, indeed, Alicia *is* just as bad at perceiving how others feel about *her* as she is about how she feels about *others* (I had just been focused on that latter bit.) She doesn't understand how Kalinda feels about her, and I don't think she ever got what she means to Will, either.
(The next episode can't come soon enough for me. These spoilers are killing me!)
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Date: 2012-01-28 11:27 pm (UTC)First, a question--don't take it as a hostile one, because I'm honestly asking. What do you mean about the TWOP forums being "surprisingly" fun and interesting? I'm a TWOP person from way back (I'm crashdown there, if you want to cyber-stalk me), and for years and years I've considered it *the* number-one place to go for any sort of engaged, intelligent discussion about television. The whole Dreamwidth/LiveJournal world is a bit of a labyrinth to me, and I only found my way here to you by virtue of Googling "Alicia Kalinda friendship" and reading everything I could find. (I seem to have fallen off of the "socially acceptably engaged" train into the "rabid fan" mobile lately when it comes to the two of them!) I think your insights are terrific, and I love to read what you have to say. But they seem very TWOP-like to me. So what exactly do you mean by "meta"? I would normally presume that metafandom would be reflections on fandom itself, rather than reflections on any given show, but that doesn't seem to be how you're using it. Or do you just mean something like "intelligent conversation about television that attempts to read it as literature"? Or something else?
Now, back to the show! I also sense trouble ahead between Kalinda and Diane, and it frankly worries me. Diane has the same sort of odd, careful relationship with Kalinda that she has with Alicia, and it makes me realize that we've never really seen her be friends with *any* woman, even though she talks a lot about women helping women. I'll need to keep an eye on that.
I loved the Nussbaum tweet as well, and I think it's incredibly apt. It hadn't occurred to me until I read what you wrote that, indeed, Alicia *is* just as bad at perceiving how others feel about *her* as she is about how she feels about *others* (I had just been focused on that latter bit.) She doesn't understand how Kalinda feels about her, and I don't think she ever got what she means to Will, either.
(The next episode can't come soon enough for me. These spoilers are killing me!)