Thanks for the explanation about TWOP--such a tale of angst and heartbreak! :-) I've been on TWOP for ten years, a long, long times in terms of Internet groups. Most of that time I would just read and don't comment--every once in awhile (my Buffy era, and now this silly Good Wife addiction that I seem to have contracted), I start posting compulsively. I've never had a bad experience (or witnessed one) on any forum, so what you're saying is very interesting to me. I know that the TWOP moderators can be really draconian, much more than I'd want to be on my own forums. I've always excused that with the argument that, for whatever reason, TWOP is a literate oasis to talk about television intelligently in sea of TV forums dominated by squee's and emoticons. So whatever they're doing seems to be working. (The Good Wife forums aren't intensively moderated, I assume because doing that there would be silly--it's a pretty small group, and nobody fights. So if sometimes we start talking about Alicia on a Kalinda thread, nobody comes in to yell at us.)
Can you tell me what you mean by "rapid anti-fannishness"? Fandom per se is something that I don't dip into very often; I've only been tangentially aware of the whole LiveJournal world, and, as I said, I find its interface a little cumbersome and confusing.
(By the way, you should definitely be reading Jacob Clifton's recaps of TGW on TWOP, if nothing else: they're funny and profound and well worth your time.)
Re: Fringe--I haven't watched it yet, but I haven't because I have the sense that it's going to be a show that I love, and I keep waiting to have time to watch it all in one gulp (something I love to do with television, just spending whole weekends watching episode after episode). Maybe this summer; it's great to know how much you like it, considering that we seem to see TGW exactly the same way.
When I say 'meta', I am using it in a looser sense of the term - not specifically as commentary on fandom, but an umbrella term for commentary on the show itself, episode reactions, character analysis and motivations, intelligent discussion, and yes, also commentary on fandom and writing and such.
Yes--everything I like and want to do and want to read! :-) Good. I did some reading on what "metafandom" means on LiveJournal, and it seems to be a vexed, catch-all term. But I guess that's ok; not everything needs a clearly defined category.
(I follow Nussbaum too, and I also loved that Tweet. I often have the same reactions to shows that she does. Wouldn't it be great to be *paid* to watch television intently and think about it endlessly?)
I go back and forth in my mind about the Owen Chats. Owen certainly does show up as a plot device to get inside Alicia's head to see what's going on with her. It's been especially welcome this season, since Alicia has been deliberately (I'm assuming) withheld from us. But I'm not assuming that what Owen teases out of her is always the exact, whole truth. I believe it *is* the truth as she's currently processing it--that is, when she says she doesn't love Will, I take that as her unexamined feelings. But she's such a repressed creature that I don't know if I can take that as the whole and complete story. What do you think?
I would argue that just because Alicia can't love Kalinda, or anyone, with that single-minded Medieval chivalric devotion that Kalinda is capable of, doesn't mean that she doesn't love Kalinda or isn't protective of her - the absolutely fierce way she went at Cary was an instinctive, stay away from my person response, and it was clearly meant to echo the season two episode where Kalinda asks Alicia to keep her out of jail.
. . . and I agree with this, too. I'm certain that Alicia loves Kalinda, although not in the wordless devotion way that Kalinda does to her (that's Kalinda's alone--nobody else could love like that). The very fact that Alicia managed to maintain such an intense level of iciness toward Kalinda for so long tells me that there's a flip side of deep emotion there--there's only so angry you can be at someone you don't also love. I also believe that Alicia only knows how she feels about things when she receives a shock of some kind. (I've always maintained that she didn't realize that Kalinda was her best friend, for instance, until she uttered the "You slept with my best friend" line to Peter.) I think finding out that Kalinda found Grace was a shock for her that jiggled loose some of her deep feelings toward Kalinda. When she found out that Kalinda was in jail, all of the protective stuff came to the fore as well. Her flying at Cary was instinctive and wonderful to see (and I persist in thinking that Cary also saw all that and secretly admired her for it.)
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Date: 2012-01-29 03:18 pm (UTC)Can you tell me what you mean by "rapid anti-fannishness"? Fandom per se is something that I don't dip into very often; I've only been tangentially aware of the whole LiveJournal world, and, as I said, I find its interface a little cumbersome and confusing.
(By the way, you should definitely be reading Jacob Clifton's recaps of TGW on TWOP, if nothing else: they're funny and profound and well worth your time.)
Re: Fringe--I haven't watched it yet, but I haven't because I have the sense that it's going to be a show that I love, and I keep waiting to have time to watch it all in one gulp (something I love to do with television, just spending whole weekends watching episode after episode). Maybe this summer; it's great to know how much you like it, considering that we seem to see TGW exactly the same way.
When I say 'meta', I am using it in a looser sense of the term - not specifically as commentary on fandom, but an umbrella term for commentary on the show itself, episode reactions, character analysis and motivations, intelligent discussion, and yes, also commentary on fandom and writing and such.
Yes--everything I like and want to do and want to read! :-) Good. I did some reading on what "metafandom" means on LiveJournal, and it seems to be a vexed, catch-all term. But I guess that's ok; not everything needs a clearly defined category.
(I follow Nussbaum too, and I also loved that Tweet. I often have the same reactions to shows that she does. Wouldn't it be great to be *paid* to watch television intently and think about it endlessly?)
I go back and forth in my mind about the Owen Chats. Owen certainly does show up as a plot device to get inside Alicia's head to see what's going on with her. It's been especially welcome this season, since Alicia has been deliberately (I'm assuming) withheld from us. But I'm not assuming that what Owen teases out of her is always the exact, whole truth. I believe it *is* the truth as she's currently processing it--that is, when she says she doesn't love Will, I take that as her unexamined feelings. But she's such a repressed creature that I don't know if I can take that as the whole and complete story. What do you think?
I would argue that just because Alicia can't love Kalinda, or anyone, with that single-minded Medieval chivalric devotion that Kalinda is capable of, doesn't mean that she doesn't love Kalinda or isn't protective of her - the absolutely fierce way she went at Cary was an instinctive, stay away from my person response, and it was clearly meant to echo the season two episode where Kalinda asks Alicia to keep her out of jail.
. . . and I agree with this, too. I'm certain that Alicia loves Kalinda, although not in the wordless devotion way that Kalinda does to her (that's Kalinda's alone--nobody else could love like that). The very fact that Alicia managed to maintain such an intense level of iciness toward Kalinda for so long tells me that there's a flip side of deep emotion there--there's only so angry you can be at someone you don't also love. I also believe that Alicia only knows how she feels about things when she receives a shock of some kind. (I've always maintained that she didn't realize that Kalinda was her best friend, for instance, until she uttered the "You slept with my best friend" line to Peter.) I think finding out that Kalinda found Grace was a shock for her that jiggled loose some of her deep feelings toward Kalinda. When she found out that Kalinda was in jail, all of the protective stuff came to the fore as well. Her flying at Cary was instinctive and wonderful to see (and I persist in thinking that Cary also saw all that and secretly admired her for it.)