Paul and Madeline

[swatkat]

Since we were talking about harshness - are we, the Michael/Nikita fans, too harsh when it comes to Paul and Madeline? Even those of us who actually like and admire them (including myself)? We're always going on about their cruelty and how Michael or Nikita (Nikita for me *g*) would've done a better job as Operations - why is that so? Now that we know all about Oversight and Centre, wasn't what Paul and Madeline did for their own survival, just like the way Michael and Nikita fought to survive in Section? And what is the guarantee that Michael and Nikita wouldn't do the exact same things when they got the power? Your thoughts here. *g*

Nell, tell me why Nikita wouldn't fall in the same trap as Paul in order to survive.

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BDSM and Madeline

[swatkat24.livejournal.com]

Now, in *non*-TR stories, a sexually screwed up Madeline is quite common.

I'm with you here. Usually, it's the HR stories where Madeline is portrayed that way, while the TR fics usually try to portray her in a more 'normal' fashion. And Madeline is screwed up because that just goes on to show how evil and disgusting she was, and how she could easily be lusting after Michael, and how she was jealous of Michael and Nikita's 'pure' relationship. It's one of those cliches that keep coming back.

Simply said, some people find it hot. And Madeline is one of the only few characters who can be portrayed in BDSM scenes without going waaay OOC. I've seen the same happening in the HP fandom - where the 'dark' characters like Snape, the Malfoys are repeatedly portrayed in such sexual relationships (some go as far as bloodplay *ick*). It's not necessarily derogatory. They just like it that way.

Swatkat

Re: BDSM and Madeline

[jaybee65.livejournal.com]

Usually, it's the HR stories where Madeline is portrayed that way, while the TR fics usually try to portray her in a more 'normal' fashion. And Madeline is screwed up because that just goes on to show how evil and disgusting she was, and how she could easily be lusting after Michael, and how she was jealous of Michael and Nikita's 'pure' relationship. It's one of those cliches that keep coming back.

Exactly! You described it perfectly.

Simply said, some people find it hot. And Madeline is one of the only few characters who can be portrayed in BDSM scenes without going waaay OOC. I've seen the same happening in the HP fandom - where the 'dark' characters like Snape, the Malfoys are repeatedly portrayed in such sexual relationships (some go as far as bloodplay *ick*). It's not necessarily derogatory. They just like it that way.

Yup, yup, yup. There's actually surprisingly little TR stuff like this, but what little there is seems more in the vein of "Finally! A dark character I can play with!" LOL.

Going off on another tangent

[swatkat24.livejournal.com]

Actually, I find the lack of, er, 'experimental' smut in LFN quite surprising. While I'm no fan of smut, it's surprising that most authors never chose to go beyond the usual stuff. Well, except some authors - and I'd rather not be reading anything than read *that*. Or maybe I'm just used to the HP fandom. *g*

Swatkat

Not that I'm personally

[nell65.livejournal.com]

very keen to read much 'experimental' smut myself, and so far anyway haven't had any desire to write it either - but I've also wondered at it....

LFN was a very dark and intense 'feeling' show - much more so than HP!!! - and yet, pfftt - almost nothing on those lines.

Talk about a playground for rape/noncon for example - or bondage of whatever stripe - and there is little to none.

I'm confused too.

Nell

I think its one of those "small fandom" things

[jaybee65.livejournal.com]

The percentage of people interested in reading/writing portrayals of unconventional sexual situations is relatively small. In a big fandom like HP, that can still add up to a fair number of people. But in a small one like LFN, they become very rare, maybe too rare to feel safe posting it.

Hmmm, it is rather strange

[mscyanide.livejournal.com]

Of all the fandom's LFN is the one which is low on 'experimental' smut? Weird.

Yeah, I only decided to comment to make it an even 80. lol.