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Since we were talking about harshness - are we, the Michael/Nikita fans, too harsh when it comes to Paul and Madeline? Even those of us who actually like and admire them (including myself)? We're always going on about their cruelty and how Michael or Nikita (Nikita for me *g*) would've done a better job as Operations - why is that so? Now that we know all about Oversight and Centre, wasn't what Paul and Madeline did for their own survival, just like the way Michael and Nikita fought to survive in Section? And what is the guarantee that Michael and Nikita wouldn't do the exact same things when they got the power? Your thoughts here. *g*

Nell, tell me why Nikita wouldn't fall in the same trap as Paul in order to survive.
From: [identity profile] mscyanide.livejournal.com
"Actually I don't think I'm anywhere near as harsh on Madeline and Paul as you are about Nikita and Michael. You've repeatedly made it clear that you think Nikita does little more than take up more than her fair share of oxygen and that Michael is a dolt.....This thread began by Swatkat asking if HRs - like me - were 'too harsh' on Madeline and Paul. For my part, I answered no. I don't think I demonize them, or turn them into raving lunatics, or dismiss them as stupid or incompetent, or attempt to belittle them in order to build up Nikita or Michael."

LOL, you do have a point. I am perhaps harsher on Nikita and Michael than you are on Paul and Madeline, or at least, harsher on Nikita than you are on Paul or Madeline.

However, I happen to be of the opinion that you are too harsh on Paul and Madeline - Paul in particular. You do, to a certain degree, demonize them and have demonstrated this tendency throughout this discussion.

You have been quick to condemn them for policies which it is entirely possible they were not responsible for implementing and had to enforce. Now, while JayBee and myself have displayed a tendency to 'pass the buck' to Mr. Jones or George you have been reluctant to acknowledge that anyone but Madeline or Paul could have been responsible. Perhaps you don't dislike them, but you are harsh on them. *bg*
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From: [identity profile] msgenevieve.livejournal.com
Nell, you've done the rest of we Nonmyopic!HRs proud. Here, have some pretend cheesecake.

Jaybee, as elequent as always. I'd pay you to defend me any day.

Cyanide, what can I say? I completely and utterly disagree with almost everything you've said. (And yet I still like you. Go figure.) If you think Nell is too harsh on Paul and Madeline, then God knows what you think about the people who *are* actually too harsh on Paul and Madeline. *lol*

Swati, I think you get the gold star for the number of comments this thread, lol!

lol, hey Ms Genevieve.

Date: 2004-03-18 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mscyanide.livejournal.com
"Cyanide, what can I say? I completely and utterly disagree with almost everything you've said. (And yet I still like you. Go figure.)"

There's no accounting for taste. *wink*

"If you think Nell is too harsh on Paul and Madeline, then God knows what you think about the people who *are* actually too harsh on Paul and Madeline. *lol*"

But you already know what I think of *those* people Jen. They are idiots. *eg*

Heh

Date: 2004-03-20 04:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
Why thank you, ma'am. *preens*

Don't you just love it when they go off like that? *vbeg* Too bad I couldn't participate that much because it all happened while I was sleeping, lol!

Swatkat

Okay then. Demonic Paul it is.

Date: 2004-03-20 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nell65.livejournal.com
If giving Paul (and by extension Madeline) credit for having a hand in his own fate, and thinking well enough of him to want to argue with him about his specific choices, is 'demonizing' Paul, then I think I'll just take him out of the sandbox and head for home now.

Nell

(huggles her little horned Paul snugly to her chest and wanders away....)

Date: 2004-03-20 05:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
little horned Paul

That so needs an icon. *veg*

Swatkat

Oh yes!

Date: 2004-03-21 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaybee65.livejournal.com
And if someone makes one (I'm too graphics-impaired to do it myself), I want it! Willing to trade any favors (within reason, LOL). *g*

Heh heh heh

Date: 2004-03-21 04:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
Willing to trade any favors (within reason, LOL). *g*

I'll keep that in mind.*vbeg*

Any specific Paul picture (grinning, yelling, glaring, etc) you have in mind?

Swatkat

LOL, not really

Date: 2004-03-21 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaybee65.livejournal.com
Any specific Paul picture (grinning, yelling, glaring, etc) you have in mind?

Anything will work. Glaring would be lovely, but I'm not picky. *g*

Hmm

Date: 2004-03-22 01:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
*notes*

In case glaring isn't available (Shame on you TRs! How come there's not a single good quality screencap of Paul?), will an evil grin do? And what should the icon say? Should I leave it blank? Or do I ask [livejournal.com profile] msgenevieve to come up with something insanely funny? *eg*

Swatkat

So many questions!

Date: 2004-03-22 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaybee65.livejournal.com
Glaring, evil grin...it's all good! LOL.

We TRs *are* a bit lazy about screencaps -- I guess we aren't as obsessed as our HR cohorts? *vbg* But I trust you to find something appropriate.

As for what the icon should say...I don't know! Ask Gen and surprise me.....LOL.

Well

Date: 2004-03-22 04:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
I'm rather particular about this stuff, you know. *eg*

We TRs *are* a bit lazy about screencaps -- I guess we aren't as obsessed as our HR cohorts? *vbg*

Shame on you! ;) Well, there's always geneglazer.com - too bad about the qualities. *sigh*

Swatkat

Oh, no

Date: 2004-03-22 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaybee65.livejournal.com
don't take stuff from that site, please. I would want to get permission from the owner, and that's too much trouble. If you can't get a pic that is generally available, don't worry about it.

Don't fret, pet.

Date: 2004-03-23 12:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msgenevieve.livejournal.com
I have lots of nice Paul shots at home, many of them borrowed a long time ago from the owner of geneglazer.com with her generous permission. *g* I'll send you some tonight.

I also have lots of Evil Icon Quotes in my head. Heh.

Aha!

Date: 2004-03-23 02:36 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
Knew I could count on you! *eg*

I did one screencap myself (one of Paul, and one of Michael and Nikita in HL) - and the qualities are equally bad.

Swatkat

As you wish...

Date: 2004-03-23 02:32 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] swatkat24.livejournal.com
I think I've found another source. *g*

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