The insanity of it all...

[swatkat]

I'm honestly surprised by the direction this entire M/N essay thing took. I mean, if you post something up on a public forum, how can you expect *everyone* to provide you with nothing but glowing praise? Considering that ship_manifesto is a place to pimp your pairing and get others hooked to it, why should others not take an issue when you say that 'fic in X. fandom is bad, bad, bad', especially when you don't read, or aren't even interesting in reading fic in that fandom? I wish the OP hadn't over-reacted or gotten so defensive about the entire matter - I thought everyone was being very civil and asking pertinet questions. It's a pity that some people can't handle disagreements. *shrug*

Meanwhile, I'm still very much in love with Buffy/Faith, and am looking around for good fics (which is *hard* to find!). Maybe I'll have to contact some shippers after all.

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[delle.livejournal.com]

well, what she seems to have missed/ignored was that the entire point of ship_manifesto is to pimp the fandom. for a show that's long since out of production - and with the DVD problems WBs been giving us - the only LFN fandom that exists right now is fanfiction. (thank GOD gwen_r didn't stumble across Michael's Retreat...)

oh, and her vids. and she sure wasn't shy about pimping her vids.

anyway, back to my point: so if she's pimping Michael/Nikita, isn't she pimping LFN fanfic? and when she, in her position as "expert" - which she IS, by writing this essay - says "I think all LFN fic sucks eggs", aren't her readers going to accept that as truth? ya think non-LFN people are going to think "gee, I think I'll hit a few of these links anyway, even if gwen_r thinks the fics are tom jam?"

no one said she wasn't entitled to her opinion. what we - you and Jaybee, actually, most eloquently - were pointing out was that her opinion was based on ... nothing. it was just her opinion, but not one she'd researched at all. [me, I just wanted to get some good recs out there, since the links gwen had given weren't the best.]

Personally, I'm most impressed with the assertion by her Buffy group that Nikita has more crapfic than any other fandom out there (and Buffy, as we all know, has nothing but the best...). Because they say so. Not because they've actually read any LFN fic, or asked for recs or anything...

[jaybee65.livejournal.com]

Goodness, she certainly seems to have taken the whole thing quite seriously. She's made more than one reference to the fact that the entire 24-hour period was miserable because of this.

Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, even from her perspective -- so a handful of people whose opinions you don't respect in the first place grumbled about one of your essays, and you suspect it's because you didn't "worship the right people" in their fandom (which is a "vast wasteland", anyway). Why would you care? And yet she apparently does....

Very puzzling.

well

[sk56.livejournal.com]

She might have noticed that the most thoughtful and detailed responses (not to mention the longest) were pretty much all calling her credentials into question. The other comments seemed much more glib to me.

[swatkat24.livejournal.com]

and Buffy, as we all know, has nothing but the best...).

Okay, so are all those mushy, gushy Buffy/Faith fics written by non-Buffy fen, then?

Swatkat

[swatkat24.livejournal.com]

ya think non-LFN people are going to think "gee, I think I'll hit a few of these links anyway, even if gwen_r thinks the fics are tom jam?"

yes, exactly, this is what bothers me so much. I'm saying this from my own experience - the essayist is seen as an expert, someone who can be trusted with their opinion and judgement: the B/F essayist totally convinced me to read, and provided me with some great fic links that sealed my love for the pairing. The Snape/Hermione essay OTOH was disappointing because the essayist didn't say "Yes, read these fics, dammit!", and only recced some of the most popular fics.

Swatkat