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swatkatThe Sister is heartbroken at Chase's betrayal ('But…but…it's *Chase*. How could he do something like that?'. And then, later: 'I guess he *is* a bit like Draco.'). In the past few weeks she's become something of a Chase fangirl ('He's too cute to be a doctor') – makes those typical strangled fangirl noises when he comes on screen – and now she's extremely disappointed. *eg*
Mm House in a blue shirt.
How cute is Wilson? Really.
"You'll do nothing!" OMG House shouting at the Ducklings! They all ran for cover!
Aww, how cute was Cameron in this episode? I wanted to pet her when she said 'People dismiss me'. Some fine acting there.
People… dismiss me. Because I’m a woman, because I’m pretty, because I’m not aggressive. My opinions shouldn’t be rejected just because people don’t like me.
Of course they like you, Cameron. Don't be silly. *pets*
House lying to the committee. I LOVE HIM. The end.
Vogler: KILL IT KILL IT NOW NO ONE TALKS TO CUDDY LIKE THAT.
Ahem.
Srsly. No one talks to Cuddy like that. NO ONE. You do not question her integrity, ever. Even if it's talking about House/Cuddy. Just no.
This is a damn fine storyline for her, though. And Lisa E.'s expressions - God. She's teh best.
Air piano!
And ooh, Vogler's threat in the end – I love how he's testing *House's* loyalty to Wilson and Cuddy. How far will he go? Will it let it be a weakness? Excellent.
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Date: 2006-06-02 01:12 am (UTC)What, you want to put more vending machines in the hallway? Maybe a roulette wheel?
I loves my Lisa. :)
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Date: 2006-06-02 03:54 am (UTC)And I loved how House knew exactly which buttons to push - 'this hospital will die'. Part of him *was* being sincere, of course, but he also knows exactly what to say to her. Nothing would affect her as much her hospital. She's putting up with Vogler's crap *because* of the hospital. *pets*
What, you want to put more vending machines in the hallway? Maybe a roulette wheel?
I loves my Lisa. :)
Bwahaha! Me too. *g*
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Date: 2006-06-02 05:41 am (UTC)"The hospital is her baby"
It's actually one of the aspects of Cuddy that I find most fascinating and endearing - what she's willing to sacrifice for that place, how much she puts into it and how much she gets out of it, and how much it compensates (or doesn't compensate) for everything else that's missing in her life.
Nothing would affect her as much her hospital. She's putting up with Vogler's crap *because* of the hospital.
Most definitely. I think she also puts up with House's crap, to some extent for the hospital. I think there's a little bit of the guilt factor as motivation for why she doesn't fire him, but not as much as people play up. He's a good doctor - he does what a hospital is supposed to do - save people beyond everything else. Didn't Stacy say something like, "Lisa cares. That's why she drives you nuts...people are real/their feelings are relevant" (paraphrase).
...my love for that woman knows no bounds.
I say we beat Vogler to death with spatulas. Or smother him with lab-coats or something.
NO ONE TALKS TO CUDDY LIKE THAT
DAMN STRAIGHT.
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Date: 2006-06-02 05:59 pm (UTC)I know! And the transplant meeting! Cuddy immediately knows that he's lying (and Wilson's shiftyness helps. he's so adorably transparent) and House knows she knows that she's lying. And Vogler knows something's up, what with the intense looks and Cuddy getting increasingly flustered.
It's actually one of the aspects of Cuddy that I find most fascinating and endearing - what she's willing to sacrifice for that place, how much she puts into it and how much she gets out of it, and how much it compensates (or doesn't compensate) for everything else that's missing in her life.
Oh, me too! Fascinating *and* endearing. She *loves* that place. It really is her baby. And sure she laments the lack of a personal life, but she does love her hospital and loves running it. It matters to her more than anything else. Fandom sometimes annoys me by claiming that Cuddy sticks to her job because she has nothing else in life, because that's so not true. She does her job because she loves her job - it's her 'one thing', like the patient said in DNR. And while she realises the things she's had to lose for it, she doesn't come across to me as *regretting* her job. Ever. The baby storyline worked for me because that's *so* Cuddy - she realises she wants one, so she goes ahead and does what she has to do, even if it means she's stuck with auditioning Wilson and asking House to inject her twice a day because there's no one else. It's at once sad and adorable.
I think there's a little bit of the guilt factor as motivation for why she doesn't fire him, but not as much as people play up.
You won't believe it - I've been thinking of ranting over this for the past couple of days. The guilt factor is *so* overplayed in fandom. Cuddy doesn't run on guilt - if she did wouldn't have come this far. The guilt is important, of course, but it's not all that's there to her. And she keeps House because he's a damn good doctor who she likes and trusts, even if she hates him and wants to kill him most of the time. He's an asset to the hospital, and Cuddy, of all people, knows that.
Didn't Stacy say something like, "Lisa cares. That's why she drives you nuts...people are real/their feelings are relevant" (paraphrase).
Yeah. And House was right when he said this is exactly why she's the best administrator the hospital could have - she cares. She's the most resposible person in the world. She feels guilty *because* she feels responsible, not because she likes to wallow pointlessly, like some people claim. And it makes her work even harder, so that the next time she can make it better.
Did I mention how much I love her? *g*
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Date: 2006-06-03 02:35 am (UTC)(Random thought: I love how we get to see all different sides of Cuddy. Maybe I'm biased, but sometimes I feel like some of the characters only get one or two dimentions to them (like Foreman) but with Cuddy, we've seen her guilty and angry and indignant and miserable and amused and etc., etc., and Lisa just pulls everything off so beautifully that, really, how can you NOT love Cuddy?)
She does her job because she loves her job - it's her 'one thing'
ABSOLUTELY.
(Shipper moment: I love that it's kind of one thing she and House (very subtlely) have in common - neither of them have much else, but they both have their 'jobs' (putting it lightly) and what they do means/is everything.)
She doesn't come across to me as *regretting* her job
I totally agree. I would imagine she gets tired sometimes, does the whole 'is this really worth it/can't do this anymore' thing, but I highly doubt she could ever stop.
The baby storyline worked for me because that's *so* Cuddy - she realises she wants one, so she goes ahead and does what she has to do, even if it means she's stuck with auditioning Wilson and asking House to inject her twice a day because there's no one else. It's at once sad and adorable.
I can't even express how terrified about the baby!plotline I was. I was like, practically a nervous wreck for weeks (as soon as we found out about it) and kept mumbling, 'goddamnitnoBABIES!' at random intervals... yeah. But they handled it PERFECTLY. And Lisa was just INCREDIBLE and you're SO right - it was SO Cuddy.
She's really not all that angsty, if you think about it. Humpty Dumpty was an exception (hey - if some guy fell off my roof, whether it was my fault or not, I would feel guilty) but she bounces *right* back - and I have no doubt that she remembers it and will probably feel guilty about it every time she thinks it over, but it doesn't hinder her life.
AND NEITHER DOES INFARCTION!GUILT. GOOD LORD.
Your entire "guilt" paragraph = WORD.
Your entire last paragraph = DOUBLE WORD
I love that scene. Too much, I think. I have it on my iPod and listen to it
incesentlyoccasionally. I love how, when you first listen to it, it basically makes no sense cause, guilt -> stacy/sex -> giant chasm = quoi? but it has so many subtlties to it, and Hugh and Lisa are just fabulous (and if you're a shipper you can totally slant it into House'sfucked upversion of a 'thank you')(Random note on guilt: that split two seconds of Cuddy in her office in Euphoria brings tears to my eyes every single time. Testament to the holypower of Teh Lisa.)
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Date: 2006-06-03 10:58 am (UTC)Yes, me too. *happy smile* And if I was *that* guy - I'd be more than mildly intimidated, lol! How much does she rock in that episode? The cutting off the tie scene was absolutely priceless. And it also defines who she is, right from the start - she's the most responsible person on earth, and she loves her hospital.
I love how we get to see all different sides of Cuddy.
I know! And while I will continue complaining about the lack of Cuddy screentime, I have no complaints about how she's written - so.many.shades! And Lisa, of course, fabulous that she is, pulls it off every damn time. *happy sigh*
how can you NOT love Cuddy?
I once came across this one person who said she despised Cuddy. I had to back away slooowly, because argh crazy people!
Shipper moment: I love that it's kind of one thing she and House (very subtlely) have in common - neither of them have much else, but they both have their 'jobs' (putting it lightly) and what they do means/is everything
I KNOW! It's one of the many reasons I love them and ship them.
She's really not all that angsty, if you think about it.
No, she isn't. She scoffs at angst. She is prone to introspection every now and then, and it makes her worry and feel guilty and feel sad, but she doesn't MOPE. She gets right back up and does something about it.
AND NEITHER DOES INFARCTION!GUILT. GOOD LORD.
OH. WORD. (tangent->there were some interesting parallels between Alfredo's case and infarction in the ep. Cutting off the hand parallels cutting off the thigh muscle. And Stacy's presence in the guilt scene, echoing the infarction days. Hmm.)
(and if you're a shipper you can totally slant it into House's fucked up version of a 'thank you')
It's not just a thank you, he's actually *comforting* her. By telling her the truth, of course, but *comforting* her, like Stacy was comforting her. You see it in Stacy's eyes - the way she looks at him when he turns back from the door and begins the 'perverse guilt' lines. He tells her the truth, the harsh one *and* the rare compliment, he softens it by teasing Stacy about the sex (and a part of him couldn't help doing it), and then becomes serious again and basically tells her to stop feeling so damn responsible for everything that happens around her. And then lightens it again by the sex joke (of course, he also did it because it would leave Cuddy and Stacy in a really awkward situation, and he's really twelve so likes doing that sort of thing) before he leaves.
Random note on guilt: that split two seconds of Cuddy in her office in Euphoria brings tears to my eyes every single time. Testament to the holypower of Teh Lisa
You know, I haven't actually seen that - my s2 viewing is limited to some select downloaded eps (like Humpty Dumpty). I do know the transcripts very well, though, and the very thought of *Cuddy* *crying* breaks my heart. She never cries. She didn't cry even in Humpty Dumpty.
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Date: 2006-06-03 07:08 pm (UTC)Season 1, Episode 1 - Cuddy is firmly established as a responsible, kick-ass, good-sense-of-humour'd, dedicated, awesome, lovable and SEXY woman. (One of my favourite scenes ever is the "Is the yelling designed to scare?" speech. Brilliant. And the "the son-of-a-bitch is the best doctor we have scene - how she feels about the hospital and how she feels about House.)
The lack of Cuddy screentime makes my soul bleed. It actually usually turns out for me, the degree to which I love the episode is directly proportional to how much screentime Lisa gets. Not always (Autopsy is a good exception) because (yet another thing I love about Lisa) no matter how little on-air time she has, the scene is always fabulous. She's there for thirty seconds and STILL kicks all kinds of ass, and it's still snarky and delicious and wonderful.
once came across this one person who said she despised Cuddy.
...were they smoking crack? I hear drugs can have that affect on you... you lose touch with reality, everything becomes distorted, etc. That must have been it.
Re: tangent
Oh, most definitely. It's one of the reasons I adore that episode so much. The entire thing is a giant infarction!guilt-undertone-fest, but it's played out really well because it IS an undertone (for the most part) and not, "Hey, Cuddy, look what you did to my leg!" "OMG House I feel so guilty!" "Oh, no, Cuddy don't feel guitly! It was all Stacy's fault, the evil wench!" (*glares at fandom*)
WORD again to the entire perverse guilt paragraph.
he also did it because it would leave Cuddy and Stacy in a really awkward situation, and he's really twelve so likes doing that sort of thing
I LOVE that about him. He really is a little perverted teenager sometimes. All of his sexual "innuendos" to/about Cuddy are hillarious. Handcuffs, hard wood, conjugal visit (with Vogler sitting right there - that gained him double ass'age points), etc.
Ooh, let me know what you've seen so I don't give anything away you don't want to know. :-S But yeah - you should definitely download that episode. Just for that one scene. (Euphoria dealt largely with Foreman, which for me = snooze/anger, because Foreman is actually my least favourite character) But Cuddy is just AMAZING, like AMAZINGAMAZING. Of doom.
And, if you can find/haven't already seen Without A Trace, there's a clip from it with Lisa crying and holding a baby and singing and it is the SWEETEST, SADDEST thing ever. Breaks your heart. Every damn time. (I have it if you want it.)
She didn't cry even in Humpty Dumpty.
That's because she's NOT a sappy, emotionally-inept damselindistress that needs to make babies with House in order to feel happy and good about herself. >< (*more glares at fandom*)
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Date: 2006-06-04 05:58 am (UTC)Word. *loves her Cuddy*
She's there for thirty seconds and STILL kicks all kinds of ass, and it's still snarky and delicious and wonderful.
To quote my sister: 'She walks in and the entire screen lights up.'
The only episode I'm not a huge fan of Cuddy-wise is All In because I do believe they put Cuddy out of character a little to suit the plot-line, but someone on house_cuddy brought up a good point about how, before hand, she probably said to herself, "One night, I'm not going to worry about the hospital, I'm going to have fun, blah blah blah" and naturally because it's Cuddy it came back to bite her.
That would be me. Here (http://community.livejournal.com/house_cuddy/136709.html). It *is* OOC (of course it's OOC. she's smiling and happy and taunting House in an entirely non-evil, friendly way, and when do we see *that* happen?), and that's exactly why I like it - she had decided to have fun this one time, and it comes back to bite her in the (very fine) ass.
I LOVE that about him. He really is a little perverted teenager sometimes. All of his sexual "innuendos" to/about Cuddy are hillarious. Handcuffs, hard wood, conjugal visit (with Vogler sitting right there - that gained him double ass'age points), etc.
He's got *such* a juvenile sense of humour. *g*
Ooh, let me know what you've seen so I don't give anything away you don't want to know. :-S But yeah - you should definitely download that episode. Just for that one scene. (Euphoria dealt largely with Foreman, which for me = snooze/anger, because Foreman is actually my least favourite character) But Cuddy is just AMAZING, like AMAZINGAMAZING. Of doom.
Well, I'll get to see it sometime next year, if they bother to air it, but I know everything about it because I'm a spoilerwhore like that (and I could not wait. I love this show too much). With S1, I know the outlines, but there I chose not to read transcripts or download things so I'm watching it all in order. *g*
I have it if you want it.
Ooh, that would be lovely! *g*
That's because she's NOT a sappy, emotionally-inept damselindistress that needs to make babies with House in order to feel happy and good about herself. ><
WORD. Also, House as the knight in shining armour? Ahahaha.
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Date: 2006-06-04 06:21 am (UTC)That's literally the best thing I've heard all day. WORD.
That would be me
I knew you were brilliant. ^^ Yeah, I absolutely LOVED what you said. It made the entire episode click in my brain and make sense and actually be tolerable.
I can't decide which season I like better. I love the sort of... casualness? about S1, but S2 we actually start to learn more about the characters and how they work and interact and, while S1 was a FABULOUS foundation for all of that, it's nice to see the developments.
Lisa Edelstein on Without A Trace. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/i4gnjo) Keep your tissues close.
House as the knight in shining armour? Ahahaha.
*combusts*
Another fandom tick that makes me nutty. He does good things sometimes, true, but sometimes you just want to go, oh enough already! Do you even WATCH this show???
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Date: 2006-06-04 11:18 am (UTC)The episode's actually really good if you think of it that way. *g*
And oh God Lisa! Thank God Cuddy doesn't cry - it would kill me. *sobs*
Another fandom tick that makes me nutty. He does good things sometimes, true, but sometimes you just want to go, oh enough already! Do you even WATCH this show???
That's the reaction I keep having every day. And all the House really wants to be a good person, he just doesn't know how to... ugh.
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Date: 2006-06-04 06:03 pm (UTC)I would be a massive puddle on the floor if that ever happened. Probably trying to hug Lisa through the television screen. [o.O]
And all the House really wants to be a good person, he just doesn't know how to... ugh.
Most definitely. I think he does good *things* sometimes (when you get to Forever and Who's Your Daddy? it really throws you for a loop - I'm still trying to decipher motives. Babies aside.) My favourite one is the "I'm going to give up the Vicodin for you and I want you to help me get through detox"
*headdesk*
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Date: 2006-06-05 06:41 am (UTC)I frequently am tempted to do that with my favourite characters. Hug. Pet.
Molest.House *can* be nice when he wants to be - but he doesnt want to reform! He`s happy the way he is, thankyouverymuch.
I`m trying to decipher motives too - maybe he was just being genuinely nice for once, but you can never really tell.
My favourite one is the "I'm going to give up the Vicodin for you and I want you to help me get through detox
*headdesks some more*
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Date: 2006-06-05 07:27 am (UTC)MolestIt's all the same :D
House *can* be nice when he wants to be - but he doesnt want to reform!
Definitely. I really can't see him changing anything about himself for anyone - Role Model is a really good example of that.
maybe he was just being genuinely nice for once, but you can never really tell.
I am so damned confused. On the one hand - nice? Advice? Un petit jealousy? Wha? It's all there and so hard to ignore. I keep thinking I'm playing it up as a shipper, but... then I rewatch all the HouseCuddy scenes in Forever and Who's Your Daddy? and it's like... impossible to deny. He went out of his way with the sperm donor thing, he kept her secret for her, he tried to give her some advice on where to go from there... it was all so, unHouse and yet House at the same time... I'm just massively confused. I guess I should just accept the hottness and go from there.
Oh, another question for ponderance - but I want to make sure I don't spoil anything... are you familiar at all with Three Stories? There's a minor plot point in it that parallels the season two finale that's driving me nutty. But Three Stories is so amazing, if you haven't seen it I wouldn't dare spoil it for you.
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Date: 2006-06-06 03:01 pm (UTC)No, it's pretty much impossible to deny. I saw the ship from day one, but it has always been subtext - but after this? TEXT. A non-House fandom friend of mine caught a few episodes of the show (including Who's Your Daddy?), and even she saw the tension (she also saw the House/Wilson, of course), so yes, it's definitely there. We don't know where it'll go, what they will do with it, but it's there. The only people who denied it were batshit House/Cameron and House/Wilson fen (not the sane ones), and really, who cares what they say?
I like to think that there's genuine niceness - we know House is capable of being nice to people he cares for. He'll do anything for people he cares for. There was also definitely some jealousy, because House is twelve, and it doesn't matter that he doesn't *want* children - he is more awesome than Wilson and deserved to be asked, so there. Someone pointed out it could also be some sort of manipulation - House being nice is often House being upto something. Remember how he was around Stacy? Genuinely nice (well, as much as he's capable of) *and* manipulative. And well, House the Ladykiller worries me, because he's good at what he does. Hmm.
What about Three Stories? I know the bare outline, I know that there are hallucinations and House telling his own story, but that's about it. *g*