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swatkatProof that the Gregory Maguire boards are not always full of stupid: a discussion on Dorothy and the Goddess of Gifts. I'd forgotten all the picture of the Kumbric Witch that Boq had discovered. ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
jaybee65, does Maguire expand more on the Kumbric Witch and Mother Yackle in SoaW?
There's also some interesting speculation on Elphaba's soul in this thread. While I agree about the parallels between Dorothy and Elphaba - it's quite clearly present in the text of the book - I've always thought of it as *symbolic* parallels than the literal 'two halves of the same soul' theory that the posters here are talking about. I can never quite decide on what Elphaba meant when she said that she didn't have a soul - Maguire is so ambiguous about the nature of souls in his universe, and it gets confusing at times. Do animals have souls? Do Animals? And where does Elphaba stand? Hmm. I need to read that book again.
ETA: Excellent discussion on the Philosophy Club. The moaning over the bestiality and orgies annoys me, but it's an interesting discussion nonetheless.
jaybee65, does Maguire expand more on the Kumbric Witch and Mother Yackle in SoaW? There's also some interesting speculation on Elphaba's soul in this thread. While I agree about the parallels between Dorothy and Elphaba - it's quite clearly present in the text of the book - I've always thought of it as *symbolic* parallels than the literal 'two halves of the same soul' theory that the posters here are talking about. I can never quite decide on what Elphaba meant when she said that she didn't have a soul - Maguire is so ambiguous about the nature of souls in his universe, and it gets confusing at times. Do animals have souls? Do Animals? And where does Elphaba stand? Hmm. I need to read that book again.
ETA: Excellent discussion on the Philosophy Club. The moaning over the bestiality and orgies annoys me, but it's an interesting discussion nonetheless.
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Date: 2006-06-11 06:42 am (UTC)He did. He says so in the meeting after Nessa's death, doesn't he? *doesn't have the book at hand* And the prologue makes it pretty clear that Elphaba was quite famous - even if *she* herself had absolutely no clue about it.
I find Yackle endlessly fascinating. Even squee-inducing! And no, she doesn't explain anything new in SoaW, although she's quite present. However, the only version of her we see in the old maunt at Saint Glinda's. She at one point says to the maunts she has been "placed on the sidelines of her life, as a witness" "a guardian twitch" (whuh?)
A witness? A witness to the change that Elphaba would bring? A witness to Elphaba's tragedy? There are also hints that Yackle is more than just a witness, but an active participant in Elphaba's life. Hmm.
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Date: 2006-06-12 03:58 pm (UTC)True, and in Wicked the dwarf refers to Yackle as "the opposite of a guardian angel". So SoaW confused me some.